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Breaking the Dysfunctional Cycle of Growing Up Chaotic: Meet Dawn Clancey

Too many childhoods are scared by chaotic memories of alcohol, drug use, or physical abuse that are witnessed or endured.

Dawn Clancey herself came from such a family. Rather than follow that path, she has decided to enlighten others with her fantastic blog and podcast and create a community that she hopes will break the cycle of family dysfunction.

Please meet Dawn Clancey!

Your blog and podcast are fantastic. What motivated you to start Growing Up Chaotic?

I started Growing Up Chaotic out of a desire to start a constructive conversation around growing up in a dysfunctional family. The dysfunction can be rooted in anything, whether it’s an addiction, abuse, or mental illness. For me, in my family, it was all three of those things that fueled the chaos.

Both of my parents were alcoholics, and when they divorced, they both ended up marrying people that were just as damaged. My mom, in addition to being an alcoholic, was also bi-polar. She married my stepdad, who I’m sure had some form of mental illness, but he was an alcoholic who also happened to be extremely physically violent.

My dad drank and struggled with depression, which made it difficult for him to be emotionally available. He married my stepmom, who wasn’t an alcoholic, and she wasn’t physically abusive, but emotionally and mentally, she was very manipulative and caused a lot of damage. I don’t think she’s ever been diagnosed with a mental illness, but there was definitely some degree of a personality disorder going on there.

I also have two older brothers that got into drugs and alcohol really early on. They were both in and out of rehab and jail while they were growing up. Addiction, abuse, and mental illness run in my family like water. I’ve had relatives that have died from alcoholism, overdosed, and died. In general, there has always been a lot of unhealthy behavior on both sides of my family tree.

Luckily, I never developed an addiction to alcohol or drugs. Still, I have struggled with depression, anxiety, suicidal thoughts, and impulsive behaviors, all of which stem from both genetics and a chaotic family life. I’ve always believed that in my family, there just was never enough to go around, not enough love, support, and not enough understanding, and I had to learn how to find those things outside of my family. I think that there are a lot of people out there that are struggling with the same issues.

If you can’t heal or understand or come to terms with whatever pain transpired in your family life, then you are doomed to repeat the same mistakes and continue the cycle of dysfunction for generations. But I think if we can come together and publicly jump-start these painful conversations and speak openly and candidly about what we’ve experienced, then we can avoid repeating the same mistakes that our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents did.

What is your overall message that you want to get across to your readers and listeners?

I want my readers and listeners to know first and foremost that they are not alone. It’s possible to turn their negative most painful, life-crushing experiences into something positive. I love what author Joy Harjo said in an interview she once did for NPR about family trauma, she said:

…to realize that this stuff called failure, this stuff, this debris of historical trauma, family trauma, you know, stuff that can kill your spirit, is actually raw material to make things with and to build a bridge. You can use those materials to build a bridge over that which would destroy you.

I am in love with the idea of taking those raw wounds from your past and your life and using them for a greater good. I never believed that I could take the pain from my childhood and use it to help other people, but through Growing Up Chaotic, I’ve created a space where I can do just that.

There’s gold, literally pounds and pounds of precious, coveted gold laying around in my head that I can use for a greater good. I can use it to connect to other people, and I can use it to hopefully help other people to heal despite what may have broken their hearts or robbed them of their will to live.

I want people to know that their wounds don’t have to destroy them, they need to be processed and acknowledged for sure, but then after that, you can use those things to build a bridge to something better. Don’t let the past destroy you. It can be your greatest asset if you’re willing to see it that way.

What are three childhood or life memories you recall most frequently?

When I was a kid and lived with my dad and stepmom, I wasn’t allowed to use the oven without adult supervision. I laugh at that now because we had this little black fryer that was covered in old grease. I mean every part of it from the plug and its prongs to the cord, to the bucket that held the oil. It was all saturated with old grease.

And for some reason, I was allowed to use that, but I wasn’t allowed to turn on the oven. It makes me laugh now when I think of it because clearly, the greasy fryer was more of a hazard than the oven. Anyway, when my brother Todd was living with us, and I would come home from school, we would make brownies together. Since he was home and he was older than me, I was allowed to do that.

I always looked forward to doing that with him; it was the highlight of my day. Todd was always getting kicked out of the house, so he wasn’t always around, and when he was gone, I never knew if he was coming back. You know, in a dysfunctional family, you don’t talk about the bad stuff that’s going on – so I never knew what was happening with him. But I remember I wouldn’t be able to eat brownies or make them when he was gone, and I think it’s because I would miss him so much that even the smell of brownies baking in the oven would make me depressed.

I think about that every so often, even now as an adult, because I still really miss him. He’s struggled with addiction all of his life. As a result, we’ve lost contact. I haven’t spoken to him in over ten years. It hurts. But that’s what addiction can do; it destroys families.

I spent a lot of time with my Nanny (my dad’s mom) while I was growing up. We had a lot in common. I have a lot of great memories of being at her house. She used to curl my hair with these pink foam rollers and put makeup on my face. I would then stand on this little footstool she had in her living room and belt out songs by Barbara Streisand. We would also produce our own radio shows with her tape recorder.

I would be the host, and she would impersonate celebrities like – Dolly Parton and Loretta Lynn. They would be my guests. And I would interview them. I’m sure I drove her crazy, as a kid I had a lot of energy but we always had a lot of fun together. She represented the normal part of my childhood. When I was with her, I could have fun. I think in a lot of ways, spending time with her saved me.

I loved stuffed animals as a kid. By the time I was eight years old, I must have had at least a hundred of them. I remember I would lay them out on my bed every night so that I could sleep next to them. Each stuffed animal had its own spot. I made sure that I told each one of them that I loved them before I fell asleep.

They protected me, and I protected them. I would keep a large laundry bag by the side of the bed so that if there were an emergency – like a fire or something – I would be able to scoop them all up and stuff them in the bag and escape with them. I was very attached to my stuffed animals. That all comes from trauma.

As I mentioned before, my stepdad was very violent. Both my stepdad and my mom were alcoholics. I lived with them from the time I was four until I was eight. Watching them fight and watching my stepfather hit my mom in the face and choked her repeatedly was all very traumatic and a lot for a little kid to deal with.

My stuffed animals became my safety net, and since I was too little to protect my mom from my stepdad, I protected my stuffed animals instead. They gave me an anchor in all of that chaos in a weird way. I no longer have those stuffed animals, which I kind of feel guilty about today.

So a couple of years ago, I bought myself a stuffed bunny that I keep by my bed at night. Today I’m married to a great guy. I have a cat that I adore to pieces, so I don’t need the stuffed bunny, but for some reason, I feel better having it there.

During your darkest hour, what helped you to keep going?

That’s a hard question to answer. Every therapist I’ve ever worked with has asked me that same question, and I’ve never been able to answer it. I just know that as a kid, I always had this loud voice in my head that didn’t want to grow up and live my life as my parents did.

I don’t know who or what that voice was, but I just always remember hearing it say, “I’m not going to live like this,” or “I’m going to do better.” I guess that voice has always been there. Even though I don’t hear it as often as an adult, I still feel it. It’s just a strong, stubborn feeling that keeps pushing me and keeps me believing that there has to be a better way.

Are there any words of hope or advice that you could share for anyone who is growing up in a chaotic family situation?

Yes, of course!

My first bit of advice would be to get your hands on Alice Miller’s book Banished Knowledge and read it immediately! Alice Miller was a swiss Psychologist that wrote extensively about child abuse. Reading her book changed my life.

My second bit of advice would be to embrace your anger. In our society, we are afraid of the anger and we label it as bad. I disagree entirely with that point of view. Anger isn’t bad –  it’s powerful, and if you grew up in a chaotic home, chances are you are probably angry.

And all of that anger needs to process. It needs space. It needs to breathe. I’ve had members of my family tell me over and over again that I shouldn’t be angry (especially at my parents), and for many years I listened to them and stuffed down what I was feeling.

In the end, it only hurt me and delayed my healing. Anger isn’t bad, and it’s misunderstood. Within the context of your life, it makes sense. You don’t need anyone else’s permission to feel it. Learn about it. Get curious about it. Figure out why it’s there and then figure out how to deal with it. Get professional help if you need it, read books, or start a journal where you just write it all out of you.

About a year ago, I took up boxing. It has been the best thing that I have ever done in terms of channeling my anger. I’m still learning about anger. I still have moments where I get triggered, but I keep learning, and I keep processing. Anger is part of being human. It’s never going just to go away. So learn how to live with it and manage it. There is nothing wrong with being angry. We all get mad, and if someone tells you that they don’t get mad – their lying. 

My final bit of advice would be about forgiveness. There are entire bookshelves in the self-help section at Barnes and Noble that talk about forgiveness and why you should forgive and how great your life will be once you forgive, and I just don’t agree with that. Like anger, I think forgiveness, feeling it, I mean, really feeling it is just as powerful.

And I’m not saying that it’s not a good idea to forgive, but we all don’t get to forgiveness at the same time in the same way.  Again, I’ve had family through the years push forgiveness on me, and it backfired because I wasn’t ready to forgive. So then I found myself in a situation where I thought there was something wrong with me because I wasn’t ready to forgive.

Respect your process. If you grew up around violence and addiction, you have a lot to process. Forgiveness may not be your first stop. Sometimes I’ll think I’ve forgiven someone and then I’ll wake up one morning and feel angry all over again. I don’t look at that as a bad thing anymore, I just think, Okay there’s more here that I need to deal with. Then I get on with it.

No one knows you better than you. No one knows what you’ve been through and how your chaotic family impacted your life. Only you do, and your process is your own to figure out. I think sometimes people tell us not to be angry and push forgiveness on us because what we are feeling makes them uncomfortable. And that’s okay. We are all human, but don’t let what someone else feels get in your way – they are not your responsibility.

We learn early on, in chaotic families, that what we feel isn’t correct and that it isn’t safe to feel, but that couldn’t be farther from the truth. Forgiveness will come when you are ready for it. It may be in an instant, or it may take a lifetime, but that’s okay. It’s your path and your process. Permit yourself to do what you need to do when you are ready to do it, and the rest will fall into place.

family dysfunctionDawn Clancey grew up in family dysfunction, including alcohol, drug addiction, and domestic violence that nearly destroyed her young life. Once an adult, she refused to go down that same path. Instead, Dawn started Growing up Chaotic, a website and podcast to reach out to other survivors of chaos, abuse, and dysfunction. Dawn is building a community that she hopes will have an impact on breaking the dysfunctional family cycle, and that will support other survivors like herself. Please check out Dawn’s site and share this interview with others you know who have grown up chaotic! 

 

18 thoughts on “Breaking the Dysfunctional Cycle of Growing Up Chaotic: Meet Dawn Clancey”

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    Refreshing perspective. I listen to so many people lament the way they were raised as a reason for their perpetual struggle moving forward. Yes, these leave scars and can be painful reminders of awful experiences. At some point, one needs to redefine their life and move beyond to create a transformational beginning.

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      Hi Dave, There does come a point in our lives when we have to take responsibility going forward. Because it is painful to have lived through a dysfunctional upbringing, I’m so impressed with Dawn and all that she wants to accomplish. Getting the help that you need can help a person work through the past wounds. I do want to acknowledge that it is stressful and a painful way to start out a life, but we can all take a negative experience and turn it into something positive. Thanks for stopping by.

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    What a great interview. And what a brave person Dawn is. It’s great that she’s sharing her experiences and bringing yet another too-often-taboo subject out of the shadows and into the light. I think that most families have their share of dysfunctionality (is that a word?). Granted, some have more than others; but I think everyone can probably relate to at least some of what Dawn is saying. I know that as the son of an alcoholic father, I certainly can. Here’s to Dawn and the other survivors out there.

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      Great point Dean that we all have survived some level of dysfunction as a child. As parents we do the best we can, but as you know, some families have more problems than others. I’m glad that you were able to work through the issues with your alcoholic father. Take care and thank you for stopping by.

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    This is cool, Cathy – Dawn. And I’m thankful to the both of you for sharing. No doubt about it, Dawn – one tough row to hoe coming-up in your household. Right? Seeing what you saw (dang, mom being choked by her husband), hearing what you heard, feeling what you felt. A remarkable load – one I can’t imagine. But somehow you pushed forward. And that’s really what it comes down to, I think – blind forward motion until we find a measure of self and purpose – to continue on. Appears you did that, Dawn. And now you assist others.

    Thank You…
    Bill

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      It is challenging for anyone to growing up in a dysfunctional household. It sets a person up with problems before they have even started their life. Unfortunate for sure, however it is so wonderful that Dawn is a beacon of light for others who have found themselves in this same situation. I appreciate your insights, Bill! Thank you for stopping by.

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    This is an incredible interview, Dawn and Cathy. There’s so much here – I’ll be re-reading it in a few days. I found your take-aways especially powerful, Dawn – the complexity of forgiveness, feeling anger… and just reading about someone who’s survived and thrived what you experienced as a child is so empowering. Thank you for sharing!

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    Hi, this is really very powerful. It is so meaningful and every detail was expressed in a very sincere way. It will help and encourage those who are experiencing the same thing. Thank you very much for sharing. GREAT post!

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    Cathy, thank you for this informative and restorative interview with Dawn Clancey. Also growing up in a chaotic environment of addiction,abuse, and mental illness, her powerful words resonated with me, and once again reminded me that “I am not alone”. I spent some time on Dawn’s website and listened to several of her pod-casts. She has much to offer and I highly recommend it to everyone who connects with this issue.

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      Hi Holli,

      Happy New Year to you. I’m so glad that you found Dawn’s website and podcasts to be helpful. She so much wisdom in this area and is definitely helping others who are in the same situation. Take care and thank you for stopping by!

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    I grew up in a home just like described in the blog, stuffed animals and all. After all of this chaos I was finally diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis at age 26. It was that illness and the awareness I discovered that lead to a desire to lead a healthy life. Sadly, the only way I am able to be as healthy (physically) as I am (off the nasty poison treatments!!) is because of my job. I work with the four other members of my dysfunctional family. I have been in therapy for a few years now and I am working on an online education that I hope will allow me a decent life outside of my hometown, and so I can maintain my health on my own. I crawl out of my skin every morning when I think about all that I still have to do to make a new life for myself.

    I am 32 years old and have always dreamed of a healthy family and I need encouragement more now than ever as I often find myself losing steam. I struggle with relationships (friends and romantic ones) and I know now that no one is going to save me from this life but me.

    The addictions have subsided, rage, alcohol and otherwise, but the dynamic is still present in every waking moment. I am alone all the time, except for when I come to work, and go to my workouts, and even the people here all seem like they are decaying and I fear I am going down along with them. I am desperate for a healthy life, healthy changes, but these are the hardest things I have ever had to deal with. I wasn’t necessarily beaten although most of the time I wish I would have been vs. the emotional pain I endured. I was tortured not only by my half brothers but my father and I have learned my mother as well. She is at least supportive now but I still have to limit my time with her to the best of my ability.

    The illness is the biggest kicker. If it weren’t for the problems I face with it, I may have found a way out by now, but I need them more than ever at least financially. I need my job which allows me to take the time I need to maintain my health and to do the many medical appointments I have each week. I just want this to end so much.

    I am always looking for some support groups although I don’t know why I am so turned off by the church, I don’t see many options available for grown adults. If someone has any words of encouragement, tips or resources, I would be eternally grateful. This process is agonizing and extremely lonely. I dabble with dating but I am finding not much has changed for me in that area as I am still meeting the same kinds of people. At least addictions are not the issue anymore, not the physical ones anyway.

    Some day Ill get out of here. That I do have faith in, I just hope it is in time for me to perpetuate my success and have that loving family of my own. God knows how strong I am and some days I amaze myself. Today is a tough one tho, the pain is just sitting below the surface and the rage I still sometimes feel lurking..I no longer internalize it though and take it out on others or myself. At least I am able to recognize.

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      Hi Lea,

      Welcome! It is such a struggle when a person has physical and an environment that is less than perfect. That is positive that you are going to school online. Education so often is the key to a better life. Hang in there. I would ask friends, your doctor or other trusted people in your community for some tips on a support group that you would feel comfortable in. Some options to the 12 Steps are Life Ring, Smart Recovery and Women in Sobriety. They all have websites and hopefully have meetings that are near you. Best of luck and don’t give up hope. You can have the life that you dream about.

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    Cathy,
    Thank you for introducing us to Dawn. Sadly, my childhood years were similar. I carried a lot of shame throughout my life regarding my upbringing and my sick parents. As a result of not taking care of myself and stuffing my emotions, I became very depressed and angry. When I went to counseling, even my counselors had difficulty hearing the depth of my family’s sickness. Seeing their discomfort made me stop counseling or wanting to share my pain with anyone. Being that I am a people pleaser, I never want to make someone else uncomfortable. So hearing of Dawn’s upbringing and personal struggles confirmed the need for me to find people who can help me process my pain and validate my feelings as opposed to them telling me “it wasn’t that bad”. I plan to follow her blog and listen to her podcast.

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      Hi Susan, I’m sorry to hear that you had a challenging childhood. Dawn is an amazing resource, so I’m glad that you are going to follow her blog and she also had a podcast that you might be interested in. I wish you all that best and I’m glad that the interview resonated with you.

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